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Former good article nomineeNativity of Jesus was a Philosophy and religion good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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November 20, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed


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The mainstream academic view is that the two birth narratives from the New Testament contradict each other. So much for accepting both as historical. See e.g. McClellan, Dan On contradictions between Matthew & Luke’s nativities on YouTube. tgeorgescu (talk) 01:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date format

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As Jesus' own article uses the dmy date format (in conjunction with vast majority of Christianity articles in general), I would like to create consensus about converting this article to dmy.--Marginataen (talk) 12:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since the date format is inconsistent, this change would be acceptable to me. I will be especially glad to get rid of the YYYY-MM-DD format in publication dates, since there is the potential to cite sources bearing Julian calendar publication dates, and the YYYY-MM-DD format should not be used for Julian calendar dates. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've now changed the date format to dmy Marginataen (talk) 17:31, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Date formats/English varieties are article-based, not topic-based. Graham87 (talk) 05:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is is possible for the community to decide that articles within a specific topic (e.g. Jesus) ought to use the same formats. Regardless, I am specifically suggesting to change it on this page. Marginataen (talk) 18:52, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Is [it] possible for the community to decide that articles within a specific topic (e.g. Jesus) ought to use the same formats[?]"
The "Manual of Style" has an endnote a, which states

This is a matter of policy at Wikipedia:Consensus § Level of consensus: "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. For instance, unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a wikiproject cannot decide that a Wikipedia policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope." And: "Wikipedia has a higher standard of participation and consensus for changes to policies and guidelines than to other types of pages." Subordinate pages include MoS detail pages, style essays, and the Simplified Manual of Style.

So consensus could be formed for a particular topic, such as the dmy format for articles related to the US military, as expressed in the "Manual of Style' under the "Dates" heading. But such consensus should be reached at the "Manual of Style" talk page, not an article talk page or a WikiProject talk page. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

English language variety

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The template {{Use Oxford spelling}} was added without discussion or comment. I reverted. The article seems to use a mix of different English varieties. An early version from 22 October 2005 does not require any variety-related spelling corrections to be correct American English. Arguably, this is, more or less, the first non-stub version, so the article should use American English. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Jesus article itself among numerous other Jesus articles use Oxford spelling. I my mind, it would be nice to have consistency across the topic. Marginataen (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand Marginataen has already been pblocked, but to be clear: no, it would be a hassle. It is expressly not something we care about, so please stop trying to impose it whatsoever. Remsense ‥  02:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]